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	<title>Comments on: Social network-based relationships are not shallow &#8211; they are stronger</title>
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		<title>By: francois</title>
		<link>http://www.emergencemarketing.com/2008/11/26/social-network-based-relationships-are-not-shallow-they-are-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-2626</link>
		<dc:creator>francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve -- thanks for taking the time to comment. I agree that CMO&#039;s have an increasing emphasis on demonstrating results. The thing that I do not get is that it is way easier to measure results with social media based marketing programs than it is with traditional marketing programs. 

I also agree with you that too many marketers are using social media as another broadcasting channel. Thankfully those that do that fail fast. Unfortunately they are giving all marketers a bad rep again.

The Epsilon study - should we be surprised? It is still an innovator/early adopter market and we know that there are not too many of those in marketing departments. All that being said, and considering the average tenure of CMO&#039;s, it is surprising that not more of them are jumping for the lifeline that social media marketing provides them in tough economic times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8212; thanks for taking the time to comment. I agree that CMO&#8217;s have an increasing emphasis on demonstrating results. The thing that I do not get is that it is way easier to measure results with social media based marketing programs than it is with traditional marketing programs. </p>
<p>I also agree with you that too many marketers are using social media as another broadcasting channel. Thankfully those that do that fail fast. Unfortunately they are giving all marketers a bad rep again.</p>
<p>The Epsilon study &#8211; should we be surprised? It is still an innovator/early adopter market and we know that there are not too many of those in marketing departments. All that being said, and considering the average tenure of CMO&#8217;s, it is surprising that not more of them are jumping for the lifeline that social media marketing provides them in tough economic times.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, I like my friends on these social networks as well. But CMO&#039;s do not see the ROI on Social Networks such as Facebook and MySpace despite the cultural phenomenon that these space have enjoyed in the past few years.

According to a survey by Epsilon, 55% of top-brand CMO&#039;s said they&#039;re not interested in incorporating these and similar social-networking sites into their marketing strategies. Overall, strategic use of social-networking platforms remains low, even among those who say they have interest in them. Only 10% of CMO survey respondents said they are using social sites for their marketing plans.

It seems to me that this all points to a reliance on traditional media and an ever important emphasis on demonstrating results. There&#039;s value in finding out where your consumers are and communicating with them in a manner that they respond to but I&#039;ve often felt that these social-networking sites narrowly appeal to young adults and provide significant challenges as far as measuring results and yielding actionable data.

The common attitude is let&#039;s build Facebook Page, post a video on YouTube, get into Twitter. But it&#039;s the same old one-way mentality of broadcasting to, not with. There&#039;s not enough time spent spectating and participating with these networks to understand that it&#039;s about commenting, being open to differing opinions, responding and - most importantly - making changes based on the feedback and conversation that is taking place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I like my friends on these social networks as well. But CMO&#8217;s do not see the ROI on Social Networks such as Facebook and MySpace despite the cultural phenomenon that these space have enjoyed in the past few years.</p>
<p>According to a survey by Epsilon, 55% of top-brand CMO&#8217;s said they&#8217;re not interested in incorporating these and similar social-networking sites into their marketing strategies. Overall, strategic use of social-networking platforms remains low, even among those who say they have interest in them. Only 10% of CMO survey respondents said they are using social sites for their marketing plans.</p>
<p>It seems to me that this all points to a reliance on traditional media and an ever important emphasis on demonstrating results. There&#8217;s value in finding out where your consumers are and communicating with them in a manner that they respond to but I&#8217;ve often felt that these social-networking sites narrowly appeal to young adults and provide significant challenges as far as measuring results and yielding actionable data.</p>
<p>The common attitude is let&#8217;s build Facebook Page, post a video on YouTube, get into Twitter. But it&#8217;s the same old one-way mentality of broadcasting to, not with. There&#8217;s not enough time spent spectating and participating with these networks to understand that it&#8217;s about commenting, being open to differing opinions, responding and &#8211; most importantly &#8211; making changes based on the feedback and conversation that is taking place.</p>
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		<title>By: francois</title>
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		<dc:creator>francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not too long at all - thank you for taking the time to make the comment. It is interesting to hear that adoption in the UK is fairly different from the US. It is also interesting to hear you describe yourself as a late adopter even though you are on FB and seem to be using some sort of VoIP service :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not too long at all &#8211; thank you for taking the time to make the comment. It is interesting to hear that adoption in the UK is fairly different from the US. It is also interesting to hear you describe yourself as a late adopter even though you are on FB and seem to be using some sort of VoIP service <img src='http://www.emergencemarketing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that you use LI like that. I&#039;ve found it to be the most &#039;permiscuous&#039; primarily because it attempts to create scarcity. Xing which is most open has equally less pressure to connect.  Most fellow professionals in the UK are not on LI (or Xing) BTW, and if they are, they have long forgotten their password!

I find Facebook pretty coy, and being a very (late) adopter immediately adjusted my habits on other networks to match the coyness.  I also immediately decided not to feed Twitter into FB as Twitter seems to run with a more immediate time line.  Facebook has a &#039;weekly&#039; timeline or something like that.  FB is so coy most employees don&#039;t indicate where they work!

On shallow or deep, I see the social networks just as an extension of networking into the virtual world.  Just as the telephone once meant I didn&#039;t have to walk to my neighbour&#039;s house, now I communicate more readily over longer distances.  Today I had a long rambling phonecall to someone at the other end of the earth - not possible even three years ago.  Quicker, easier, further - but not displacing any normal human goals!  It&#039;s made a huge difference to settling in the UK and as I had moved countries and towns twice in the previous 5 years, I have something of a benchmark.  

Too long for a comment, I am sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that you use LI like that. I&#8217;ve found it to be the most &#8216;permiscuous&#8217; primarily because it attempts to create scarcity. Xing which is most open has equally less pressure to connect.  Most fellow professionals in the UK are not on LI (or Xing) BTW, and if they are, they have long forgotten their password!</p>
<p>I find Facebook pretty coy, and being a very (late) adopter immediately adjusted my habits on other networks to match the coyness.  I also immediately decided not to feed Twitter into FB as Twitter seems to run with a more immediate time line.  Facebook has a &#8216;weekly&#8217; timeline or something like that.  FB is so coy most employees don&#8217;t indicate where they work!</p>
<p>On shallow or deep, I see the social networks just as an extension of networking into the virtual world.  Just as the telephone once meant I didn&#8217;t have to walk to my neighbour&#8217;s house, now I communicate more readily over longer distances.  Today I had a long rambling phonecall to someone at the other end of the earth &#8211; not possible even three years ago.  Quicker, easier, further &#8211; but not displacing any normal human goals!  It&#8217;s made a huge difference to settling in the UK and as I had moved countries and towns twice in the previous 5 years, I have something of a benchmark.  </p>
<p>Too long for a comment, I am sorry!</p>
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