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		<title>By: Lee White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not advocating that we stick with the 4p's as if it were written in stone. It is just that that mindset is fundamental to the thinking of so many marketers today. My experience is that rushing to the next new thing without bridging to what people already know is a difficult proposition. As a good friend of mine likes to say, "When change meets culture, culture always wins." In this case I think the old school models can be leveraged to educate people about the new environment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<script type='text/javascript' src='http://www.sezwho.com/widgets/profile/js_output/wp/limau-orange-01/1.3/1.3/89751d15b267e1e29548f9cf03bfdada/475d4e1070baa'></script><script type="text/javascript">var sz_global_config_params = {cppluginurl:"http://www.emergencemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/sezwho",cpserverurl:"http://www.sezwho.com", sitekey:"89751d15b267e1e29548f9cf03bfdada",blogkey:"475d4e1070baa",blogid:"0", plugin_version:"1.3"} ; </script><p>I am not advocating that we stick with the 4p&#8217;s as if it were written in stone. It is just that that mindset is fundamental to the thinking of so many marketers today. My experience is that rushing to the next new thing without bridging to what people already know is a difficult proposition. As a good friend of mine likes to say, &#8220;When change meets culture, culture always wins.&#8221; In this case I think the old school models can be leveraged to educate people about the new environment.<script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:509">var sz_comment_config_params = {use_cross_domain_posting:1,post_id:"691", comment_rating_submit_path:"/cpratingsubmit.php",sortOrder:"",sz_auto_comment:0,sz_auto_option_bar:0,comment_number:5, sz_comment_data:[]};sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[0]= {comment_id:"509", comment_author:"Lee%20White", comment_author_url:"http://insideconversation.typepad.com", comment_author_email:"HirMSKZlPDrIVqCVESAsjs2juTx0QJdArLG3g4mIlZUuKdy%2BPu449DWgbby15%2F3Ff96wOrFFX6xX%2BLh7yhY5DnrnUugNmx5Xxz9sAuCRtuf5UKdAMMHAn0HMo2O8wBdKBEpUgfnCbnmNrWW4JOS4OjD22gTWXjtVltIKxnBbxv8%3D",sz_score:"5.0",comment_score:"5.0"};</script></p>
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		<title>By: francois gossieaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>francois gossieaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not disagree. We should not rush to throw working concepts out the window. But rather than force-fitting new concepts (i.e., customer life-cycle value) into old models (i.e., 4P's), should we not be better off to re-evaluate certain fundamentals - including the marketing mix fundamental?

Do you really believe that your marketing person still should be thinking 4P's every time she is thinking about the marketing mix? To me that is a little frightening at this stage.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not disagree. We should not rush to throw working concepts out the window. But rather than force-fitting new concepts (i.e., customer life-cycle value) into old models (i.e., 4P&#8217;s), should we not be better off to re-evaluate certain fundamentals - including the marketing mix fundamental?</p>
<p>Do you really believe that your marketing person still should be thinking 4P&#8217;s every time she is thinking about the marketing mix? To me that is a little frightening at this stage.<script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:508">sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[1]= {comment_id:"508", comment_author:"francois%20gossieaux", comment_author_url:"http://www.emergencemarketing.com", comment_author_email:"LrAC%2B98RgRNdy6QFmRen%2B5d7aSp5uLcfMUAd7DrCQmyJGlp%2FwOnxNvhdx5UTzV5B5mw0XAHKLuxN8Nbg4pSflA3eO5%2FqWAqJpV7PdkYDQyIDkTicE%2FO995lTIsAyHnKe1K%2FE%2FoXJ4MF9D0WejWfDy7xVErXYV4UcABGzKXboMAM%3D",sz_score:"5.6",comment_score:"5.0"};</script></p>
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		<title>By: Lev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with Lee here. It is not necessarily the 4 P's that should change, instead we should be looking at how the environment has changed in which businesses interact with their (prospective) customers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Increased transparency and accessibility of information about products (manufacturing, pricing etc) and the companies that make them, combined with consumers' ability to communicate about and exchange this information through social media tools (web 2.0) has led to a shift in the (im)balance between company and customer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With the consumer firmly in the driving seat (and knowing it), businesses need to reconsider how to stay competitive and continue to attract customers. It is no longer about what the company can do (the 4 P's), but what the consumer is allowed to do (through involvement and influence) that will shape new products and thus make up the minds of the consumers around the world.&lt;/p&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Lee here. It is not necessarily the 4 P&#8217;s that should change, instead we should be looking at how the environment has changed in which businesses interact with their (prospective) customers.</p>
<p>Increased transparency and accessibility of information about products (manufacturing, pricing etc) and the companies that make them, combined with consumers&#8217; ability to communicate about and exchange this information through social media tools (web 2.0) has led to a shift in the (im)balance between company and customer.</p>
<p>With the consumer firmly in the driving seat (and knowing it), businesses need to reconsider how to stay competitive and continue to attract customers. It is no longer about what the company can do (the 4 P&#8217;s), but what the consumer is allowed to do (through involvement and influence) that will shape new products and thus make up the minds of the consumers around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you jumping the gun to so quickly dump the 4p's. In my mind they are still a good way to make sure you have covered the various aspects that make up a market offering. Yes the nature of price and pricing is changing, but money will have to change hands somewhere for the enterprise to be viable. Promotion as defined by my B-School professor is fundamentally different than today (hardly even recognizable) but you still have to tell someone that you have a product to sell. ...and so on... my point is let's not make the generalization that all that is old is bad, let's just try to understand how it is different.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you jumping the gun to so quickly dump the 4p&#8217;s. In my mind they are still a good way to make sure you have covered the various aspects that make up a market offering. Yes the nature of price and pricing is changing, but money will have to change hands somewhere for the enterprise to be viable. Promotion as defined by my B-School professor is fundamentally different than today (hardly even recognizable) but you still have to tell someone that you have a product to sell. &#8230;and so on&#8230; my point is let&#8217;s not make the generalization that all that is old is bad, let&#8217;s just try to understand how it is different.<script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:506">sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[3]= {comment_id:"506", comment_author:"Lee%20White", comment_author_url:"http://insideconversation.typepad.com", comment_author_email:"HirMSKZlPDrIVqCVESAsjs2juTx0QJdArLG3g4mIlZUuKdy%2BPu449DWgbby15%2F3Ff96wOrFFX6xX%2BLh7yhY5DnrnUugNmx5Xxz9sAuCRtuf5UKdAMMHAn0HMo2O8wBdKBEpUgfnCbnmNrWW4JOS4OjD22gTWXjtVltIKxnBbxv8%3D",sz_score:"5.0",comment_score:"5.0"};</script></p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say I am looking forward to the blog posts that will continue after and pertain to this. I'm still a biz student but I love business and marketing. But going through my marketing book I noticed the 4P's in relation to the marketing mix and became concerned because of much of the changes that are occurring. I fear that I am going to be educated based on the old marketing ways while living in the new marketing era.
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